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epeterdWed Aug-19-20 08:59 AM
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So I just finished reading Kilkenny, and started reading the Lost Treasures section in the back. I got to where Beau mentions that it was filmed in the '50s as Blackjack Ketchum, Desperado. So I googled it and read the short Wikipedia article. The only reference in the article is one that says that the movie was based on a Louis L'Amour novel about Ketchum. The link goes to something called Legends of America. I didn't see anything in there saying that LL had written a book about him (which I know he didn't) so it makes me wonder why someone claimed on Wikipedia that that is what the novel was about.

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Mike ShafferWed Aug-19-20 02:20 PM
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#1. "RE: Kilkenny"
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Having trouble following your point. So, you’re hung up on short story collection vs.novel? Have I got that much right?

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Mike ShafferWed Aug-19-20 02:35 PM
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#2. "RE: Kilkenny"
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Years ago I was a Wikipedia contributor and every article should have references...or at least they’re supposed to.

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epeterdFri Aug-21-20 07:44 AM
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You've actually confused me. I didn't mention the short stories, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm just saying it's strange that someone wrote on Wikipedia that the character of Kilkenny was based on Blackjack Ketchum, which isn't true. And the website that is used to back up that claim doesn't even mention Kilkenny, so the whole thing makes no sense.

  

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blamourThu Sep-24-20 01:03 AM
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Wikipedia is just not very good. Maybe it's a good place to start ... but never use it as the final source.

  

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Les Down UnderWed Aug-19-20 07:58 PM
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#3. "RE: Kilkenny"
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Have the DVD in front of me. Simply states "based on a novel by Louis L'Amour" If wikipedia state that Louis wrote of Ketchum they're wrong.

The DVD summary shows it is loosely (VERY) based on Kilkenny. The summary finishes "sharing nothing in common with its real name historical outlaw"

Why the producers thought Ketchum was a better title than Kilkenny I have no idea. :7

I should add that the title character is not portrayed as a "Desperado"


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Mike ShafferFri Sep-18-20 01:51 AM
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#5. "RE: Kilkenny"
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Apparently the reference has been corrected or edited out. I don't see the reference in Wikipedia. Do you still see it?

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Mike ShafferFri Sep-18-20 02:03 AM
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Okay, I think I see what you're referencing. There really was a Black Jack Ketchum...He was hung and decapitated. He was convicted of felonious assault. The only person ever hung for the offence, which was later found to be unconstitutional. His actual name was Tom, so the Jack Ketchum is a bit confusing. He was also hung for assault...the penalty for that is up to four years in prison. Somehow they hung him for it.

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epeterdWed Sep-23-20 05:52 AM
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#7. "RE: Kilkenny"
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I still see it.

"Blackjack Ketchum, Desperado is a 1956 American Western film directed by Earl Bellamy and starring Howard Duff and Victor Jory. It was based on a novel by Louis L'Amour about Tom Ketchum. The film has yet to receive a home media release."

That's the opening paragraph of the Wikipedia entry.

  

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Les Down UnderWed Sep-23-20 07:16 PM
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#8. "RE: Kilkenny"
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Needs to be corrected. Home Media release is available as I have it on DVD.

I had time to play around so set a wikipedia logon and edited the article. Check it out to see if my edit suits.

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blamourThu Sep-24-20 01:08 AM
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A producer or executive was IN LOVE with the name Black Jack Ketchum. He saw it somewhere and decided he had to stick it on this movie. An extreme version of a problem that you see in Hollywood all the time. Someone with a little power has the vapors for a moment and suddenly an idiotic element is attached to the project. To remove it is to go to war with the person who thought of it.

  

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Les Down UnderThu Sep-24-20 03:07 AM
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#11. "RE: Kilkenny"
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I had fun changing the Wikipedia reference though, Whoever initially wrote it was lacking in LL knowledge. :7:7:7

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epeterdThu Oct-01-20 09:41 AM
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#12. "RE: Kilkenny"
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I just checked the Wikipedia page and it's showing the same thing it had before.

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Les Down UnderThu Oct-01-20 06:46 PM
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Have tried again, so let's see what the moderators do.
They didn't come back to me last time to say they had deleted my edit.

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epeterdSun Oct-11-20 06:13 AM
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I just checked and your edit is there. So that's good.

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Les Down UnderSun Oct-11-20 06:51 PM
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#15. "RE: Kilkenny"
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Great.

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Thomas Edward Ketchum was an American cowboy who later became an outlaw. He was executed in 1901 for attempted train robbery.


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Les Down UnderWed Oct-21-20 06:07 PM
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Welcome back DocKaty, long time no see.

Les
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Les
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