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epeterd
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"Catlow"
 
   So, I recently finished reading Catlow, the Lost Treasures edition. Funny thing is I could have sworn I'd read it before, but none of it was familiar to me at all until they got the gold. Then I remembered it a little. Strange things that our memories will do. Clearly I haven't read it in a long time.
In the LT section at the back Beau mentioned that there had been a movie made of it, so I watched that tonight. It wasn't too bad, though obviously not as good as the book. I'm not sure it did that good of a job of explaining what was going on some of the time. Also, as an avid listener of old time radio I think of Richard Crenna as the guy playing annoying teen boys with a nasally voice. LOL But I know he was also in Rambo. Anyway, it's definitely not a cinematic masterpiece, but I suppose you could find worse movies to watch.

Peter


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1. "RE: Catlow"
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If you really want a bad LL movie adaptation try Bob Hope's Cancel My Reservation.

Les
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2. "RE: Catlow"
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   You have to remember the environment that Catlow was being made in and who was making it. Early 1970s, Euro Western/Spaghetti Western ... it was a time when EVERYONE felt that the western needed to be re-imagined because it had been so over done in the 30 years prior. It just wasn't a good time.

There is something about Dad's work that inspires bad film making. Something about it makes filmmakers think it's easy, or that you can "just shoot the book," whatever the heck THAT means. I've seen it over and over.

I worked on The Empty Land with two academy award winning screen writers and was amazed to watch their IQs plummet as they interacted with the material. That's not the only time, and it would not have been an easy adaptation, but those were the highest profile writers.

I've adapted his work myself and never felt it was all that challenging but I also never approached it like it was easy. You have to study the story, decide what it's ABOUT (as opposed to what happens in it) and then design the best film to best support that goal. To do so you really have to look INSIDE the story ... and you have to understand the genre, whatever genre it is.

Typically, a Western is a story about two strong characters learning to respect one another. Usually they are men but in say Hondo and say, True Grit or Rooster Cogburn, you have that same relationship with a woman. There are a few other typical stories but this is the most common. In Hollywood they used to joke that it was a love story among men. Red River is a classic.

Catlow is one of these. It's not that good but I have great regard for the film makers because they allowed the relationship to project a sense of humor. The great mistake, the thing that no one seemed to be able to see, with The Empty Land was that it needed to be a buddy picture or "love story between men" too. The men who oppose one another are Felton (the owner of the original claim and the head of the town council) and Coburn, the town taming marshal. They want the same thing but they have different ways of getting there. The conflict is really between THEM, the various "bad guys" are just problems to be solved, the weather, the nature of a boom town.

Unfortunately Dad wrote Felton poorly, at least once Coburn (a more typical western hero) appeared. When I was working on it Sam Elliot was being considered for Coburn. In the opinion of the others involved no one else was important. I kept saying: "Hire a powerhouse actor to play Felton, someone unexpected. Ray Liotta. James Woods." Someone who could give Sam a run for his money. Someone who would inspire good writing and allow him to be equal. Then you'd have a good film. They all looked at me as if I'd lost my mind. Maybe I had, but the film didn't get made.

Perhaps that's a good thing.


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epeterd
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3. "RE: Catlow"
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   In a way it's hard to believe more of your dad's stories weren't made into movies, though considering most of the ones that were made weren't done well it's probably for the best.
I just started reading Off the Mangrove Coast. I've read the book before so I read the LT section first. I've heard the audio adaptation of Diamond of Jeru, but I haven't seen the movie. Looks like I'll have to get the DVD from eBay. It is sold out here on the LL website.
Speaking of Sam Elliott, I watched an episode of Hawaii Five-0 over the weekend from 1974 that had him as a guest star. He looked vaguely familiar, but I wouldn't have figured it out without knowing his distinctive voice. I'm used to him having gray or white hair with the big mustache. Obviously he was too young at the time to have gray hair, and he didn't have the mustache either. Was like a completely different guy.

Peter


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4. "RE: Catlow"
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   We sell Jeru when we can get it which is not that often. You can usually find it on ebay.

Sam's voice is distinctive. So much so that I believe he was redubbed in the first scene in Butch Cassedy. I've heard it was just too much for a character who has to take water from Redford. If you want to see a different Sam check out a TV movie, Murder in Texas. It's a very tightly controlled portrayal of a surgeon who kills his wife or something like that. He's also good in The Contender where he is President Jeff Bridges chief of staff and has to vet the appointment of a potentially troublesome female VP. Not the laid back performance he typically produces.


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5. "RE: Catlow"
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   I ordered one from eBay, supposed to arrive next week.

Those sound interesting. I don't think I've seen him in anything other than a Western, up until that epiaode of Hawaii Five-0.


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